November 18, 2020 | Reading Time: 3 minutes

Is the GOP with or against America?

Ned Staebler is mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore.

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My bullhorn is rather small, but I’ll do what I can to amplify Ned Staebler. He spoke Tuesday before the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. Its two Republican members, William Hartmann and Monica Palmer, had voted against certifying the votes of Wayne County, citing irregularities in Detroit. The board was deadlocked, 2-2.

Be like Ned: Stop trying to change GOP minds. Stop saying they are harming democracy. Start doubting their intentions.

It was a stunt, purely performative. A state agency was prepared to step in. If that didn’t work, a state judge would have decided. Given the facts of the case, Michigan was going blue no matter what. (Joe Biden’s margin of victory over Donald Trump was in the tens of thousands.) But trying to undermine the sovereignty of the people is nearly as bad as successfully undermining it. I’ll explain why Ned Staebler’s statement last night is important to America politics, but first you have to read what he said:

I’m not going to try and change your minds. I just want to let you know that the Trump stink, the stain of racism that you, William Hartmann and Monica Palmer have covered yourself in is going to follow you throughout history. Your grandchildren are going to think of you like Bull Connor or George Wallace.

Monica Palmer and William Hartmann will forever be known … as two racists who did something so unprecedented that they disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of Black voters in the city of Detroit, because they were ordered to. Probably, I know, Monica, you think Q told you to do it or some other crazy stuff like that.

But just know when you try to sleep tonight that millions of people around the world now on Twitter know the name Monica Palmer and William Hartmann as two people who are completely racist and without an understanding of what integrity means or a shred of human decency. The law isn’t on your side. History won’t be on your side. Your conscience will not be on your side and, Lord knows, when you go to meet your Maker, your soul is going to be very, very warm.

Palmer and Hartmann changed their minds within hours after a world of hurt came down. I don’t know if Staebler did that. (I’d like to think so.) In any case, it’s important to bear in mind that Staebler’s jeremiad came after having outlined the many ways Hartmann and Palmer were wrong. He marshaled an impressive array of concrete facts, applied sound reasoning to it, and came to the moral conclusion that Hartman and Palmer are not only wrong; they were choosing to be wrong, because being wrong benefited their presidential candidate even though it was injurious to the republic.

Only after making his case did Staebler launch into hortatory. Only after seeing they were immutable did Staebler give up engaging them. “I’m not going to try and change your minds.” Indeed, there was no point. It was time to lay down the tools of rational evidence-based persuasion and take up arms of political rhetoric. It was time to stop discussing the results of their behavior and start discussing their intentions: the political sabotage of “hundreds of thousands of Black voters in the city of Detroit.”

I’m making a big deal of where reasoned argument ends and political rhetoric begins, because the Democrats, including Joe Biden, seem unwilling to step over the gap. Lindsey Graham interfered with Georgia’s recount. (He asked its secretary of state if he could toss out legal ballots, a possible federal crime.) GOP electors in Nevada are suing to have Trump declared the winner there or have the state’s votes “annulled.” Along with shenanigans in Wayne County, Michigan, this is a picture of systemic rot. Trump isn’t the problem. Elected Republicans aren’t the problem. The entire GOP is acting like a separatist movement more than a legitimate political party. Yet all Chuck Schumer can say is there’s “no excuse” for discrediting “our democratic elections.”

It’s time to emulate Ned Staebler. Stop trying to change Republican minds. Stop saying they are harming democracy. (We know this.) Start doubting their intentions. Are they loyal to the United States or not? Tribalists tend to respond to tribalist claims. The biggest tribe is the American republic. We must demand the GOP pick a side. As Dave Painchaud put it: “It’s important to recognize that confrontation is not generally the way to go. There’s really only one exception: fascism. You can’t negotiate with that. Fascism requires a ruthless response. It’s an awful thing, but it’s undeniably true.”

John Stoehr

CORRECTION: I said Ned Staebler was a member of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. He isn’t. He’s a concerned citizen who modeled behavior for all.

I regret the error. —John Stoehr

John Stoehr is the editor of the Editorial Board. He writes the daily edition. Find him @johnastoehr.


  1. realsaramerica on July 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    An important lesson I learned from my first marriage: You cannot have a rational argument with an irrational person.

    • Thornton Prayer on July 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

      In a rhetorical war between the Asinine (Trump, et. al.) vs. the Anodyne (Schumer), the Asinine usually wins. Thank god that more people like Ned Staebler are bringing Truth to Power against these ant-democratic and anti-American traitors.


  2. danamo on July 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    thank u for this

  3. Stephen Van Doren on July 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    Arming ourselves with political rhetoric is the only arms race we can win against the tyrannical right. Their condemnation is a just cause.

    • realsaramerica on July 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

      Speaking of political rhetoric, it’s interesting how the right-wing media echo chamber is posting about this same incident: “Ned Staebler threatens GOP canvassers”

  4. RUArmyNavyMominTX on July 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    Simple argument ~ look at how quickly Staebler’s rhetoric affected change. Compare to Schumer’s mealy-mouthed, high-minded scolding which has only “affected” no COVID relief bill. Staebler for Majority Leader…fascinating analysis and interpretation btw.

  5. Jim Prevatt on July 30, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    “It was time to stop discussing the results of their behavior and start discussing their intentions: the political sabotage of “hundreds of thousands of Black voters in the city of Detroit.” So Ned Staebler did what needed to be done and ought to be done by all enlightened people, especially if they’re Democrats and especially if they voted for tr$mp after his 4 years attempting to destroy the United States. So thank you John for this fine piece of writing.

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